How To Withdraw Excess Money From Your RESP

by Mike Holman

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One of the drawbacks with RESP accounts, is that it is very difficult to predict exactly how much money your child will need as a student.  Studying out of town is much more expensive than living at home.  A four year University program is far more expensive than a 9-month cooking course.  Your child might do one year of a post-secondary program and then run off and join the circus.

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If you are a diligent saver, contribute the maximum amount to an RESP account and things don’t work out as planned, it is pretty easy to end up with extra money in the RESP account when the student has finished.

Why is excess money in your RESP a problem?

When contributions are withdrawn from an RESP, there are no taxes applied since the money has already been taxed.  When non-contributions (ie grants, capital gains, interest payments dividends) are withdrawn from an RESP they are considered income in the hands of the student.  If the child is not eligible to receive payments from an RESP which would be the case if they quit school then the non-contribution payments are taxed in the hands of the subscriber (account owner) along with a 20% penalty.  Needless, to say it is far more preferable to have the money be taxed in the hands of the student.

Here is a more complete description of the RESP withdrawal rules.

This is why financial institutions will always default any withdrawal request to EAP, if you don’t specify otherwise  It is generally in your best interest to withdraw the non-contributions first, followed by the contributions.  This of course, has to be balanced by the fact that the student might pay tax if the EAP amounts are large enough.

A reader question

Reader Lance wrote in with an interesting question (at least it is interesting for someone who likes RESPs as much as I do).

Is there is a limit to how much one can withdraw from an RESP once the beneficiary starts post secondary education. Let’s take an extreme example. Say you really managed to do well performance wise, and your contributions, grants, and returns have totaled $300K. You have one child and they intend on staying at home while completing a four year degree. Assuming that total education needs are reasonable, say under $15,000 per year, are you allowed to take out more as you know you aren’t going to exhaust the $300K? Can you take out $75,000 per year?

I’ve read that you have to have documentation supporting your requirements when you go to your bank/financial institution when you first start taking out RESP money.

The analysis

The federal rules state that to get an EAP payment (educational assistance payment), proof of enrollment at a qualified institution must be provided for each withdrawal.  This is the type of payment made to the student when attending school.

The guidelines also state that the promoter (financial institution) shall:

  • Verify whether the amount requested covers valid educational expenses which will help the beneficiary further their education.
  • The RESP Promoter’s organization may have established guidelines or policies with respect to acceptable educational expenditures.
  • Only $5,000 EAP can be with withdrawn in the first 13 weeks.

Those rules can be found on this page on the HRSDC website.

EAP – Education Assistance Payment.  These are non-contribution payments made to a student enrolled at a qualified post-secondary educational facility.

AIP – Accumulated Income Payment.  This payment is made when collapsing an RESP account, usually because the student decided to end their schooling.  The payment is made to the subscriber and is taxed in their hands along with a 20% penalty.  The 20% RESP withdrawal penalty can be easily avoided however.

Do you need to provide receipts when withdrawing from an RESP account?

To answer your second question, first – No, you do not have to provide receipts or answer questions about how the money will be used.  You just have to provide proof of enrollment. 

Can you withdraw whatever amount you want from your RESP account?

If you do end up with a $300,000 RESP, then your financial institution might be a problem when requesting withdrawals.  I would suggest just keep after them, if there is any resistance.

The real problem with doing an excessively large RESP withdrawal is that the CRA reserves the right to audit any EAP payments after the fact, so if you do an abnormal-sized EAP payment, then they might come calling.  If the CRA decides that your EAP payment was in fact an AIP payment, then the taxes and penalties will be quite severe.

In Lance’s case, if the account was $300,000 and there were $36,000 worth of contributions, then the total EAP amount would be $264,000, which works out to $66,000 per year.

The reality is that there are no solid guidelines as to what the money could be spent on, so theoretically a student could buy a fancy new car for example, since that car would be used to get to school.  Maybe the student could buy a condo if there was a huge amount in the RESP.  Not sure how that would fly with the CRA though.

If you do end up in this situation, then I would consult a tax expert to determine the best course of action.  On the one hand, it would be nice to save on the 20% penalty and extra income taxes, on the other hand you wouldn’t want the CRA to levy the 20% penalty and taxes after the fact, along with a potential fine.

This situation might be more common that you think.  If you have good-sized RESP accounts for three kids and two of them don’t want to go to post-secondary education, then you can transfer their RESP money (minus the grants) to the third child who will end up with a very large RESP.

Another scenario might be if you have a decent-sized RESP account, let’s say $100k and the kid quits school after one year.  You can still do the EAP withdrawals for 6 months after that, but again, will the CRA do an audit if the payments are too large?

What would Mike do in this situation?

Well, as a dedicated passive, low-cost investor, it is extremely unlikely that I would end up with an excessively large RESP account based on investment returns alone.  I do have two kids however, so it is possible that if one doesn’t go on to post-secondary education then the money would get transferred to the other child which might make for a very large RESP.

I wouldn’t worry too much about the CRA, if I am taking extra money out of the RESP that I know isn’t going to be used for education.

Here’s why:

  1. The withdrawal rules were changed in the 2008 budget to allow EAP withdrawals (payments for school) for up to 6 months after the student is finished or quits school.   Why would the government introduce a rule like this, unless they were trying to encourage people to get all the extra money out of their RESP?  Obviously, if the child is no longer enrolled in school then any withdrawals are not going to be used for educational purposes, yet the government went out of it’s way to allow this.
  2. Create some expenses.  In Lance’s case, he asked about a student that lives at home.  Well, how about charging them rent?  Charge them for food, tv time, parking fees, utilities, companionship fees etc etc etc.

Please keep in mind that this should not be taken as advice – I’m only saying what I would do.  Please see a qualified tax accountant if you want real advice.

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{ 7 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Sampson

I guess you were right (over at CMF), not applicable to many people. I’m curious to know exactly how far one could stretch the education ‘related’ fees/costs etc.

2 Mike

@Sampson – Yes, this type of scenario is fairly specific so it probably doesn’t apply to many people.

However, I like writing about this stuff so that’s why it’s here. ;)

3 Karin

Thank-you Mike. This example provides the answers to the questions I could not find anywhere else.
I was not sure if maximizing my daughter RESPs (i.e. contributing $3,500 a year to reach the 50K max as opposed to only putting in the minimum ~$2,500 ~ per year to maximize the grant) was the best way to go; especially if she stayed living at home while going to school (as in the example above). I like the suggestion of creating expenses such as rent and would hope CRA has better things to do than go after people that saved for their kids higher education…

4 Mari

My daughter enrolled in University and completed 1st semester. We withdrew $5000 EAP. We withdrew and addtional $3000 this winter for 2nd semester, she has since withdrew form her program and moved home. Can I put the funds we just withdrew back into the RESP or once it’s out, it’s out?

5 Mike Holman

@Mari – read the article again. You don’t want to put the money back into the RESP. In fact, you should be withdrawing more.

6 Istvan

I did all the right things regarding RESP, I planned, I contributed, read all the rules etc. I am shocked now regarding OSAP ( I am in Ontario) It seems from the OSAP paper application form page 11, line 850 footnote 33 that they include in the parent’s income the RESP principal withdrawals and probably even the TFSA withdrawals… For low-to middle income families this results in a reduction of 15%-30% of the non-refundable access grants. This in fact blows away any advantage that RESP’s have. Unfortunately the Ontario government is hiding the rules used to calculate OSAP. There is a Ministry Manual for this, but it is not published for the general public. Mike, I would appreciate if you would look into this. I think this is explosive stuff, makes the government look like cell phone sales men.
You can find an old copy of the manual by searching Google for “osap manual 2007-2008″.

7 Que

“companionship fees”, at first I laughed hard, then I thought, well after the teenage years, you’ll probably want to charge them a fee to be around you. Still laughing…

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