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		<title>By: lee</title>
		<link>http://www.moneysmartsblog.com/professional-beggars/comment-page-1/#comment-90884</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi! as a young someone that is being paid to raise money on the streets,i can tell you i do have my doubts,i feel uncomfortably being paid out of the money that good people give.on the other hand its a job and a hard one let me tell you! i come back with no voice(from calling out strangers)and sour feet. 
sometimes scary perverts come up to me. and sometimes someone steals part of the money.i do hope the money i raise will help someone.but as i said i do have doubts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi! as a young someone that is being paid to raise money on the streets,i can tell you i do have my doubts,i feel uncomfortably being paid out of the money that good people give.on the other hand its a job and a hard one let me tell you! i come back with no voice(from calling out strangers)and sour feet.<br />
sometimes scary perverts come up to me. and sometimes someone steals part of the money.i do hope the money i raise will help someone.but as i said i do have doubts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Personal Finance: The House of Rose Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.moneysmartsblog.com/professional-beggars/comment-page-1/#comment-26395</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival of Personal Finance: The House of Rose Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cheap from Four Pillars presents Professional Begging, and says, &#8220;A discussion of charities - are they professional [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
		<link>http://www.moneysmartsblog.com/professional-beggars/comment-page-1/#comment-25576</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WilderMiss:  I guess that&#039;s the heart of the matter, what is using the funds wisely?  It takes money to make money is all fine and well, but you clearly care about what portion is going through to aid since you asked about this specifically (at what proportion going to admin / marketing does it stop being ok to spend money to make money?).  

Individual sponsorship is certainly &quot;smart&quot; from a marketing perspective.  You may be surprised, but your &quot;sponsor child&quot; may not actually be receiving the funds you donate (or is receiving far less than you suspect), or if they are, they may be harming the child:

http://www.hvk.org/articles/0603/169.html
http://www.aidworkers.net/?q=node/2026
http://www.newint.org/issue194/simply.htm
http://www.newint.org/issue111/keynote.htm

The book I referred to in the post also deals with this issue at length.

Please don&#039;t take this comment as an attack on you for donating to World Vision (I have no idea how well or poorly they are run).  I&#039;m sure it comes from a spirit of generosity and wanting to help someone in need.  I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll agree that it&#039;s better when it actually *is* helping someone and not just giving the appearance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WilderMiss:  I guess that&#8217;s the heart of the matter, what is using the funds wisely?  It takes money to make money is all fine and well, but you clearly care about what portion is going through to aid since you asked about this specifically (at what proportion going to admin / marketing does it stop being ok to spend money to make money?).  </p>
<p>Individual sponsorship is certainly &#8220;smart&#8221; from a marketing perspective.  You may be surprised, but your &#8220;sponsor child&#8221; may not actually be receiving the funds you donate (or is receiving far less than you suspect), or if they are, they may be harming the child:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hvk.org/articles/0603/169.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hvk.org/articles/0603/169.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.aidworkers.net/?q=node/2026" rel="nofollow">http://www.aidworkers.net/?q=node/2026</a><br />
<a href="http://www.newint.org/issue194/simply.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.newint.org/issue194/simply.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.newint.org/issue111/keynote.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.newint.org/issue111/keynote.htm</a></p>
<p>The book I referred to in the post also deals with this issue at length.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take this comment as an attack on you for donating to World Vision (I have no idea how well or poorly they are run).  I&#8217;m sure it comes from a spirit of generosity and wanting to help someone in need.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll agree that it&#8217;s better when it actually *is* helping someone and not just giving the appearance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: WilderMiss</title>
		<link>http://www.moneysmartsblog.com/professional-beggars/comment-page-1/#comment-25568</link>
		<dc:creator>WilderMiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really think there&#039;s anything wrong with paying people to help raise funds as long as it is part of an overal sound business.  You have to spend money to make money, right?  As a donor, presumably I belive in the cause and want them to raise as much money as they can, so as long as they are using the funds wisely I don&#039;t mind.  

I mostly donate to World Vision.  When I signed up I asked how much of the money is directed towards actual aid rather than admin/marketing (something like 85% I think?).  I was satisfied with that and I believe my money is going to help someone in need.  They do occasionally follow up with opportunities to sponsor particular initiatives but it doesn&#039;t really bother me.  I think it&#039;s smart of them to work to foster a connection between me and my sponsor child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really think there&#8217;s anything wrong with paying people to help raise funds as long as it is part of an overal sound business.  You have to spend money to make money, right?  As a donor, presumably I belive in the cause and want them to raise as much money as they can, so as long as they are using the funds wisely I don&#8217;t mind.  </p>
<p>I mostly donate to World Vision.  When I signed up I asked how much of the money is directed towards actual aid rather than admin/marketing (something like 85% I think?).  I was satisfied with that and I believe my money is going to help someone in need.  They do occasionally follow up with opportunities to sponsor particular initiatives but it doesn&#8217;t really bother me.  I think it&#8217;s smart of them to work to foster a connection between me and my sponsor child.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Micah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how it is for other countries, but Charity Navigator (I think it&#039;s charitynavigator.org) is a great place to get basic stats on charities in the States. It compiles data that&#039;s a matter of public record because of the country&#039;s taxation laws. NPOs and the like have to report things like the amount raised, amount spend on fundraising, amount on staff, top salaries, etc. Charity Navigator compiles it.

I only give to a few organizations, one applies 87% or so of donations to programs. The rest goes to staffing salaries, fundraising, etc. Their CEO earns a lowish 6 figures, but given the size of the organization I think he deserves it.

As for the street stuff, one thing I HATE about working in DC is that I may get accosted 3 times on my way to work. I don&#039;t mind the panhandlers and I like the street musicians and may even give them money. But it&#039;s the people doing fundraising and petitioning for various causes that get my goat. There are so many and you have to plan your route to avoid them if possible. Some almost block the entrance to the metro station! The only such group I&#039;ve seen and liked was one that waited until the light was red and then walked up and down the line of stopped cars (big intersection, long light) with giant signs which had a url for a carpooling site. They didn&#039;t impede traffic and they didn&#039;t personally approach any of the drivers, but they provided potentially useful info. Least invasive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how it is for other countries, but Charity Navigator (I think it&#8217;s charitynavigator.org) is a great place to get basic stats on charities in the States. It compiles data that&#8217;s a matter of public record because of the country&#8217;s taxation laws. NPOs and the like have to report things like the amount raised, amount spend on fundraising, amount on staff, top salaries, etc. Charity Navigator compiles it.</p>
<p>I only give to a few organizations, one applies 87% or so of donations to programs. The rest goes to staffing salaries, fundraising, etc. Their CEO earns a lowish 6 figures, but given the size of the organization I think he deserves it.</p>
<p>As for the street stuff, one thing I HATE about working in DC is that I may get accosted 3 times on my way to work. I don&#8217;t mind the panhandlers and I like the street musicians and may even give them money. But it&#8217;s the people doing fundraising and petitioning for various causes that get my goat. There are so many and you have to plan your route to avoid them if possible. Some almost block the entrance to the metro station! The only such group I&#8217;ve seen and liked was one that waited until the light was red and then walked up and down the line of stopped cars (big intersection, long light) with giant signs which had a url for a carpooling site. They didn&#8217;t impede traffic and they didn&#8217;t personally approach any of the drivers, but they provided potentially useful info. Least invasive.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Wisdom in Personal Finance - New Growth Edition &#124; Debt Free Adventure!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Wisdom in Personal Finance - New Growth Edition &#124; Debt Free Adventure!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Professional Beggars &#8211; by Four Pillars Mr. Cheap begs the important questions (ha ha, couldn&#8217;t resist) &#8211; Do you donate money to charitable causes?  If you do, how do you ensure that your donation will be used effectively?  How do you pick where to donate?  Do you think it is reasonable for people to be paid for fund raising?  These are excellent questions that all of us need to be asking ourselves, especially considering the moral decay in our modern society; which seems to be increasing daily&#8230; right before our very eyes. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Intelligent Speculator &#124; Financial Ramblings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intelligent Speculator &#124; Financial Ramblings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of my favourite reads of this week, all about beggars, how well do they do, is it a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
		<link>http://www.moneysmartsblog.com/professional-beggars/comment-page-1/#comment-24961</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shevy:  thanks for a perspective from &quot;in the trenches&quot; at a NPO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shevy:  thanks for a perspective from &#8220;in the trenches&#8221; at a NPO.</p>
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		<title>By: Shevy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shevy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a non-profit and have worked for other non-profits previously.  J-Bird is right.  I make about 2/3 what I would make in a profit-oriented business.  The only people in the NPs I know about who make big bucks are the accountant, campaign director/fundraising professional and Executive Director.  Oh yes, and people in IT.  The people who do the day-to-day work are not getting rich.

As for the idea that it is somehow wrong to pay commissions or a healthy salary for fundraising, that&#039;s incredible to me.  If you don&#039;t have a professional fundraiser who has the ability to convince major donors to contribute you simply won&#039;t make the money to do what your organization is there to do.  Do you think that wings on hospitals magically appear  due to $20 contributions from people on the street and $2 donations at the checkout?  They don&#039;t.  You have a handful of major donors giving $50,000 to $1 million plus for big projects or they would never be able be able to break ground.  The $20 donations buy the beds, put up curtains, etc. but the bricks and mortar have to be there first.  Without a professional fundraiser you will never see those big donations.  (Disclaimer: while I won&#039;t discuss what my own NP does I will say that I don&#039;t work for a hospital foundation.  It was just an appropriate example.)

We do one mailing campaign, one telephone campaign and one gala event per year (so I don&#039;t think we harass people, although the folks I have to invoice 3 or 4 times before they actually pay up might differ with me on that).  Yes, some other groups do a lot more but you can always ask not to be solicited.  You donate when you want to and get your tax receipt but escape the solicitation.

One big problem that NPs have is that we can&#039;t get enough volunteers when we need them or to do what we need them to do.  So, sometimes hiring someone on commission makes a lot of sense.  If you had 1,000 people to phone in a 2 or 3 week period and you only had enough volunteers to call 300 of them what would you do?  Leave the money that those other 600 people would have donated on the table?  Or pay somebody (or a few somebodies) 10% commission to call them all?  Say even half of those people give you only $10 each.  That is $3,000.  Subtract the commission and you have $2,700 you would not have had otherwise.  That is a good deal.

If you have a concern about how much of your donation actually goes to the projects you should ask, get a copy of the last annual report, look them up online, etc.  The generally accepted rule is that you want no more than 20% to go to overhead and administrative costs.  That means when you pay 10% commission, you are well within those guidelines, BTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a non-profit and have worked for other non-profits previously.  J-Bird is right.  I make about 2/3 what I would make in a profit-oriented business.  The only people in the NPs I know about who make big bucks are the accountant, campaign director/fundraising professional and Executive Director.  Oh yes, and people in IT.  The people who do the day-to-day work are not getting rich.</p>
<p>As for the idea that it is somehow wrong to pay commissions or a healthy salary for fundraising, that&#8217;s incredible to me.  If you don&#8217;t have a professional fundraiser who has the ability to convince major donors to contribute you simply won&#8217;t make the money to do what your organization is there to do.  Do you think that wings on hospitals magically appear  due to $20 contributions from people on the street and $2 donations at the checkout?  They don&#8217;t.  You have a handful of major donors giving $50,000 to $1 million plus for big projects or they would never be able be able to break ground.  The $20 donations buy the beds, put up curtains, etc. but the bricks and mortar have to be there first.  Without a professional fundraiser you will never see those big donations.  (Disclaimer: while I won&#8217;t discuss what my own NP does I will say that I don&#8217;t work for a hospital foundation.  It was just an appropriate example.)</p>
<p>We do one mailing campaign, one telephone campaign and one gala event per year (so I don&#8217;t think we harass people, although the folks I have to invoice 3 or 4 times before they actually pay up might differ with me on that).  Yes, some other groups do a lot more but you can always ask not to be solicited.  You donate when you want to and get your tax receipt but escape the solicitation.</p>
<p>One big problem that NPs have is that we can&#8217;t get enough volunteers when we need them or to do what we need them to do.  So, sometimes hiring someone on commission makes a lot of sense.  If you had 1,000 people to phone in a 2 or 3 week period and you only had enough volunteers to call 300 of them what would you do?  Leave the money that those other 600 people would have donated on the table?  Or pay somebody (or a few somebodies) 10% commission to call them all?  Say even half of those people give you only $10 each.  That is $3,000.  Subtract the commission and you have $2,700 you would not have had otherwise.  That is a good deal.</p>
<p>If you have a concern about how much of your donation actually goes to the projects you should ask, get a copy of the last annual report, look them up online, etc.  The generally accepted rule is that you want no more than 20% to go to overhead and administrative costs.  That means when you pay 10% commission, you are well within those guidelines, BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:  I should have shown him that! :-)</description>
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