RESP Rules And Strategies For 2016

Here is a list of the best RESP articles on this site.  You can find out all the information you need about RESP accounts, contributions, and withdrawals.

General RESP rules – One page summary of RESP accounts and their rules.

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1 Sarah

My husband and I have just set up an RESP for our daughter. My father-in-law has asked for the account numbers so he can make deposits to the RESP. I asked the bank and was told that no one other than my husband or myself can make contributions. Is this true? Do I need to get my father-in-law to give me the money first then I transfer it in? Seems incorrect to me…

2 Mike Holman

@Sarah – No, that is pretty standard. It has to do with anti-money laundering laws.

He will have to give the money to you first or alternatively set up his own RESP account and contribute directly to that.

3 bob

I had to give grant back because i withdrew from 2 financial institutions. What are the limits here?

4 KS

Hi Mike,

I have a question about the timing of contributions to an RESP plan. Does it run based on the calendar year?

For example, my daugther was born in July 2012. Can I contribute $2500 now in December 2012 and then another $2500 in January 2013 and get the full CESG for both years?

5 Mike Holman
6 Wally

Hey Mike

We have a relatively small RESP ($42,000 – $30,000 in contributions and the rest in grants and earnings) setup for our only daughter, currently in 1st year of university. When she started University this past fall we withdrew the max 5000 as an EAP. She is not working at the time but earned approx $4000 over the summer. I guess her income will be $9000 ($4000 summer job and $5000 EAP) and her tuition is approx $4500. I’ve justed passed the 13 week holding period and am wondering if I should withdrawl all or a portion of the available EAP (balance available to withdrawl $7,000 (42k-30k less 5k already taken out). Thinking of moving the money into a TFSA for her. Your thoughts?

7 Mike Holman

Hi Wally – sounds like a plan. My thoughts are here: http://www.moneysmartsblog.com/resp-withdrawals/

8 Cindy

Looking for a little help.
My son has used a portion of the RESP we set up for him. We still have a small amount of money left in it and he has been taking a course to upgrade in the evenings. Could we dip into his RESP to pay for this course? He is 20 yrs old and works full time but still lives at home.
Thanks for your help

9 Karen

Hi Mike,
What can you tell me about conversion of group RESP ? We were approached by our Heritage sales rep who recommended we do a conversion of our RESP plan into a “lump sum ” plan and a new annual plan. We are in our 13 th year of RESP contributions and our last contribution date is in 2017. She said this conversion will increase the potential value of our RESP without having to invest any additional funds. At least that was what both my husband and I were led to believe.
There is nothing about this in the prospectus and when we looked through the details on this plan adjustment we noticed that we would need to add 2 more annual contributions to gain an extra 8.75 units. In other words our last contribution date has been moved to 2019. In the end we decide to cancel this conversion plan.
I just want to know your thoughts on this.
Thanks for your help.

10 Mel

I have four sons. My wife and I deposited $3000 per year for 3 years into a joint RESP account for the boys. To date none have expressed interest in attending College. Three of my boys are following the Trades and are registered apprentices. Their school fees each year are avout $900 for the technical training the require. Are these fees legitimate for RESP withdrawls?

11 Mike Holman
12 Joanne

can you cancel and withdraw contributions made to an RESP?

13 Mike Holman

@Joanne – No.

14 Elli

Hello – my ex husband informed me he wants to open up an RESP account for our son (8 yrs) and wants me to sign some papers. Can i be a joint beneficiary on this account and will i need to make contributions as well?
Thank you for your time.

15 Mike Holman

@Elli – You can be a joint owner on the account if you want, however you don’t have to.

To open up an RESP account the financial institution needs the permission of the primary caregiver which is why he needs your sig. There shouldn’t be obligation to make payments.

Make sure the RESP is a not a group/pooled plan.

16 Jim

My wife and I have several RESP accounts for our grandchildren. We are not pleased with the provider and would like to change to another, for example a bank. Can we do this while maintaining the current balances and without incurring any penalties from the original provider?

17 Rohini Puddicombe

Questions:
1) If there are 2 separate RESP accounts open for a child, 1 by the maternal grandparent& 1 by the paternal grandparent can both be designated to receive the Government grant.

2) If an RESP account is opened for 1 child by a grandparent can another child be added as a beneficiary to the existing account.

Thank you.

18 Emma

Hi!
I recently opened an resp account for both my children. One is 10 and the other 3. I was informed that in order to qualify for any grants from the government each child would need a separate account. I no longer believe his is true but regardless I have two resp accounts. I would like to know if I can add one child’s resp to the other or simply have a beneficiary added to the other? In case one doesn’t use it the other one can take full advantage of the money contributed.
I hope you can help figure this out…

19 Mike Holman

Email from Bob:

My son is in his fourth year of University and recently received his student loan statement for the coming year. Since our family income is slightly above the level that the federal government considers middle income (to qualify for federal education grants) we were surprised when we figured out that our son would be graduating with less debt if he hadn’t received EAPS from an RESP.*

I’ve read on your blog that an Ontarian student can possible withdraw their CESG in one year and still receive Ontario Student Opportunity Grants in other years but that isn’t the way it works in NS. Here when a student completes a four year degree their student loan is capped at $28560, which happens to equal four times the maximum annual federal student loan amount ($7140). Therefore as long as there is the maximum federal loan every year, at graduation all provincial loan and grants becomes a forgivable grant.*

As our son cannot live at home (we live beyond commuting distance) he would have qualified every year for the maximum federal loan. If our son had not had an RESP his forgivable provincial loans and grants would have totalled approx. $13000. However, because of his EAPs, his provincial grants only totals $1394. Therefore his government grants (CESG + provincial grants) was $5100 + $1394 = $6494. So if he hadn’t had the RESP EAPs he would have approximately $6500 less student loan to repay after graduation.*

The NS loan cap was announced after we finished contributing to his RESP so we don’t fault ourselves for making that decision but now I would be very hesitant to recommend RESPs to any NS family unless they qualified for the Canada Learning Bond. Families whose income is too high to qualify for the maximum federal student loan should also consider contributing to an RESP to gain the CESG. (My very back of the envelop calculations plus the CanLean parental contribution calculator predicts that could happen after the parental income exceeds $126,000.). I don’t have a crystal ball to predict how long the NS student loan cap will exist in its current form but for now other NS families, whose students won’t be living at home, might be better advised to save money outside of an RESP and then gift it to their student when they are ready to pay off that $28560 loan.

20 Biren

Hi Mike,

I have been contributing to Group RESP Plan for my son for last 11 years. In near future we are going to be non resident of Canada. I know that if my son becomes non resident then I can’t contribute. I would like to stay in the plan.
Is it possible that stay in the plan by converting it into paid in full status? Is this status can be achieved by reducing number of units and not contributing any further? Please advice.

21 bob shaw

I have been with a group resp provider for 9 years. From the beginning they were anything but forthcoming in their disclosure of fees and penalties regarding their product. They charged a 3500 fee to be paid in the first 2 years which at the time I was led to believe it would be prorated over the duration of the saving plan. I was not made aware of this until over a year later when I received my first statement. After much handwringing and contacting my provincial ombudsman did I reluctantly proceed with this product. Not wanting to lose my investment and having the ombudsman state that these were indeed legitimate government regulated products I am still a client with this company. Skimming over a whole of punitive issues that don’t arise with the regular banking system I would like to fast forward to the present. It is now 2014 and I received a pamphlet in the mail outlining proposed changes to their qualifying programs. These changes needed customer voting in order to proceed. Their glossy brochure outlined all their fabulous new features designed to entice new customers but amidst this brochure was hidden a brief one line statement stating that they could now invest all or part of our money to gamble in the stock market. Prior to this the money was guaranteed to be placed in T-bills and government bonds. Hiding in the middle of paragraph well after their highlighted features most people who could be bothered to vote probably didn’t even see or recognize the incredible volatility this could cause. I would like to move my money immediately from this high risk plan but their penalties are severe. In addition to losing the 3500 they take right off the to, they also take all the income earned since inception. They also return all government grants and income from those as well. This is leaving me extremely uncomfortable. One of the changes they are making is when missing contribution payments instead of having to make up all missed contributions before receiving payments from the plan, they are now willing to commute the plan to reflect payments made. If this is so can I open a second resp with a different institution(bank) not group resp. This would effectively split my resp in half and at least mitigate the potential damage done by this ill guided and certainly not wanted change in direction half way through this process

22 Gary

Hello,

My son was born August 2013. We contributed $5000 in January of 2014
($2500 for 2013(Catch up) and $2500 for 2014). So the total my son should of obtained from the federal grant was $1000 and for the provincial grant he received $500. However, he only received $750 for the federal grant, should it not be $1000? Additionally, my daughter is in the plan along with my son, as apart of a family RESP. We contributed $2500 for my daughter for 2014, and she received the $500 federal grant. My question, should my son receive an additional $250 federal grant?

Thank you in advance.

23 Govind Rajan

Hi,

I have contributed RESP of my son for 10 years. In year 2014, my son joined medicine in India and his medical college is not in the approved list of RESP. Please can you advise how to register the college in RESP list.

Thanks.
Govind

24 wayne

I made a lup sum payment of $4000.00 dollarswhen my son was 13 , he decided to join the military and did not use it. Since I have been trying to get it back . My question is on this investment should I expect to get back the $4000 and some interest or like the company said I will get back $ 2100 AND $1200 put in my rrsp.

25 Falu

Hi,

I suggest participate in RESP, but do not go with Global or CEFI or similar companies. These companies charges for sales charges (or admin charges) and that is not guaranteed to be given back to client. I have contributes $6500.00 from 2007 to 2015 as principal contribution. With government grant of $1260.00 and growth of $877.00, my March 2015 statement shows closing balance of $7220.00. If one adds up $6500.00+$1260.00+$877.00 = $8637.00. So I am in loss of $1417.00. Upon inquiry, the company indicated we do not know tomorrow, you may get sales charge ($1173.00) or may not.
STAY AWAY WITH THESE RESP COMPANIES LIKE Global, CEFI.

Thanks.

26 Chris

Hi , my son dropped out school from is university in December , hoping to change in January, however he did not get accepted in time so he took the year off to attend school he wanting in September. Now he is in the program and school he wants. There telling me i need give them a transcript of his previous school to real release money but ; mistakenly i put one academic year completed . What should I do?

27 Michael

Hi Mike:
I have a family RESP for my two kids. Both are in university but I have not started withdrawing yet, largely because the self-directed RESP account is in a big loss position. Basically, I was too aggressive in my investing, thinking I had 20% of the government’s money to play with and got burnt. Overall contributions were approximately $30,000 and the account is currently worth about $20,000. In addition to the capital losses, there would be a little bit of capital gains (which I assume are off-set by the losses) and some dividends earned over the years. My question is: given I have contributed $30,000 and the account is currently worth $20,000, am I allowed to treat the entire $20,000 as “contribution” or will the dividends and grants earned in the account count as “accumulated income” and take priority over the contributions.
thanks,
Michael

28 Greg

Re: Wally’s situation.

If you don’t want your daughter paying income tax on the EAPs you should remember 3 points.

1/ The basic personal exemption for some provinces is lower than the federal one. For example, in PEI for 2015 it is $7708.

2/ The tuition tax credit is only for the portion of the tuition charged for the tax year. Therefore a student who begins college or university in the fall may pay tuition for 2 terms but, in the first tax year, they will only be able to claim the fall term tuition.

3/ 2015 is the last year that a student can claim the federal education and textbook credit ($185 per month) but some provinces may still have an education amount. (In 2015 it ranges from $200 to $780 per month)

So for example, if Wally’s daughter files her 2015 income tax return in PEI (where the education amount is $400 per month) the provincial non refundable credits for one term of university would be would be the basic personal amount + one term of tuition + the education amount. Or $7708 + $2250 + $1600 = $11558. If she already has $9000 in income (from employment and the EAP) than she could be paying provincial income tax if her father makes an additional EAP withdrawal of more than $2558. If he withdraws the full $7000 she would be paying provincial tax on $4442.

Anyone planning to minimize the tax paid on EAPs should be familiar with both the federal and provincial tax credits applicable to students. One website that tracks them from year to year is

http://www.taxtips.ca/nrcredits/tax-credits-2015-base.htm

(Perhaps in the future Mike will create an annual chart of the federal and provincial basic and student credits.)

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